From: tonym@mail.mpx.com.au (Tony McClelland)
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Subject: 10.30pm phone call from Brian Johnstone OSA
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 13:05:40 GMT
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10.30pm phone call from Brian Johnstone OSA

At 10.30 pm on Tuesday evening I received a phone call from a person
who announced himself as Brian Johnstone from the CofS. I am aware
of Brian's name and position but I have not met him or spoken to him
previously.

Brian asked if I knew the whereabouts of Joe Szimhart or whom he
traveled with? Was it Joe Kelly or Pat Ryan? I replied that I did
not know where any of the three were and if I did know I would not
tell him.

Brian asked if I knew about Joe's record and if I was in favour of
coercive counselling. I replied that I did not know about Joe's
record and that I was in favour of exit counselling and added that I
thought exit counselling would be good for all Scientologists so
they could make an informed decision. Brian expressed concern that
Joe's activity was breach of United Nations Human Rights. Because I
did not know about Joe's case, but I do know about the Introspection
Rundown I asked Brian how he felt about the incarceration of an
Australian for 3 1/2 months on an IR and was this a breach of Human
Rights.

Brian replied that the person that was incarcerated on the IR for 3
1/2 months had changed his deposition following the one he wrote the
day after his release. I asked Brian if he was also able to get the
Police to change the record of their release of the member when they
released him from the 3 1/2 month incarceration. Brian was not able to
answer the question and there was a period of silence.

I then asked Brian how he felt about the Human Rights aspect for
Lisa McPherson. Brian replied that Lisa was not on an IR.

Apparently Human Rights are not a concern for the CofS because Brian
asked again if I knew the whereabouts of any of the three he had
asked about previously. I repeated my earlier statement.

At this stage Brian hung up.


Regards



Tony McClelland